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Post by GusTRenegade on Sept 6, 2015 4:56:55 GMT
Six of us voted to do a study group on Sheri Fink's ( Suspected Racist) 2013 book, Five Days At Memorial. The book is an account of Memorial Hospital in New Orleans, Louisiana during the levee failure and Hurricane Katrina in 2005. The hospital flooded, lost power, and had many elderly patients, intensive care patients and even babies. They decided that many of the patients could not be evacuated and would die once everyone else did evacuate. So they began "mercy killing" approximately two dozen patients - some of them black. A black district attorney chose to prosecute some of the doctors and medical officials for killing these patients. This prosecution was not popular. The book is about 1,000 pages and is mighty detailed. It began as an article. That's a synopsis of the book, we can use this thread to make comments and keep a record of our observations as we read. My original suggestion was that we do about 200 pages per week. I'm flexible. If that's to much, we could do less. I mailed everyone a copy of the book - let me know if you have problems. We should be able to start reading immediately. We started with six people, but this is certainly an open group. Feel free to join in! These are a few links if folks want to some research. Pro Publica article on the subject 4 years before she wrote the book. The author on BookTVTimes-Picayune report on the investigation
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Post by GusTRenegade on Sept 6, 2015 19:38:12 GMT
From the very beginning of the book. Prologue, page 43:
“And Thiele was sure that another kind of “animal” was poised to rampage through the hospital looking for drugs. He later recalled wondering at the time: “What would they do, these crazy black people who think they’ve been oppressed for all these years by white people … God knows what these crazy people outside are going to do to these poor patients who are dying. They can dismember them, they can rape them, they can torture them.”
They got more compassion for dogs and cats than drowning black people.
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Post by GusTRenegade on Sept 7, 2015 1:52:26 GMT
I got free time today, and have been devouring all content related to Katrina. I read the first 100 pages of the book. I had no idea there would be so much explicit commentary about Racism.
“In fact, [Memorial Hospital] was one of the last Southern hospitals to submit to integration. Medicare and other federal hospital programs were introduced in the mid-1960s, and hospitals were ineligible for reimbursements if they discriminated against or racially segregated patients. Baptist refused to join the programs. “It is our conviction,” a 1966 hospital statement said, “that we can serve all of the people better if we remain free of governmental entanglements that would dictate the terms and conditions under which this hospital shall be operated.” pg 83
Fink even includes a lot of background information about the flood in 1927. John M Barry wrote a phenomenal book about that flood called Rising Tide. That was also one of the books I recommended that we read. They enslaved black people in concentration camps and made them work to clean up after the flood and fortify the levees.
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Post by GusTRenegade on Sept 8, 2015 7:08:53 GMT
Book is still pretty informative and entertaining, and I was able to make time to read on Monday. So on page 272 there's a blatant act of Racism. She's explaining how triage works in medical environment with a high number of patients. She provides historical context explaining how decisions were made about kidney treatment in previous eras:
“Before lifesaving kidney dialysis became widely available in the United States, some hospital committees secretly factored age, gender, marital status, education, occupation, and “future potential” into treatment decisions to promote the “greatest good” for the community.”
Are we to believe race was not one of the factors that would have been considered? Fink leaving that out is a finking act of Racism.
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Post by GusTRenegade on Sept 8, 2015 17:50:27 GMT
I'm sure some of you all are animal fans, and that's all well and good. But I've never been a pet fan. I don't like dog, cats, hamsters, nothing. Many folks have observed White people treating critters better than black people. Page 304 takes the cake:
“Karen Wynn saw that the hospital had all the people it could handle. She did not detect a note of racism in the refusals, even as the people being turned away were nearly all African American, as was she. King, by contrast, was offended largely because the people they were turning away had dark skin. As the only African American doctor on duty and one of very few who worked at the hospital, race had not been an issue for him until now. He believed introducing color into his argument would only make everyone touchy, and so he did not. This was a universal issue: the hospital was harboring dogs and cats while [black] babies floated over polluted water on unsteady skiffs.”
The babies were probably looters or crackheads or rapists. Or at least in training.
Fink identifies the racial classification of the people here, but she doesn't do it every time. I wish they had pictures of the people in the book, so we could easily identify who the white and non-white people are. If this is mostly White doctors turning away mostly black people while harboring mutts and kittens...
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Post by GusTRenegade on Sept 10, 2015 3:56:24 GMT
I was researching Ethel Freeman (This black female lived through the 1927 flood, Hurricane Betsy in 1965, and Katrina) and I found this article on Five Days: But responses from audiences with local ties haven’t been so positive. A commenter on a local news site writes that “Fink has effectively capitalized on this tragedy. I can’t figure out why she hasn’t been exposed. She’s a vulture, picking at the bones of patients who died and swooping down to sully the reputations of the doctors and nurses who stayed in hell to help.”From what I heard, White people were generally not pleased about charges being filed against these doctors, so I'm not surprised that they would also be roiled about her book. This is from the Times-Picayune where they are also critical of her writing the book and judging the doctors.
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Post by caketheseries on Sept 10, 2015 23:05:48 GMT
I am a bit tarty to the party as I begun the audio book Five Days at Memorial yesterday. My first choice was Zeitoun and I've been reading that since Tuesday. That being said I am on page 150 of 5DAM. It took some time to watch a introduction interview of Dr. Sheri Fink and she made a clever quote saying she wants the reader to have empathy for each of the individuals in the book. "They weren't out to do something wrong." They were regular people. This is surprising because Im noticing where everything that happens inside the hospital is measured to a different standard of everything that happens outside of the hospital. If you care to watch here you go youtu.be/kzCN3eJXU24
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Post by GusTRenegade on Sept 11, 2015 1:52:48 GMT
Hi caketheseries!
You're actually on schedule. We were supposed to do 200 pages a week, so you're right on pace, maybe even a bit ahead.
When you say, "Everything that happens inside the hospital is measured to a different standard of everything that happens outside of the hospital," do you mean because of the storm? That's a very common trend I'm noting when White people write about various abuses Whites committed during the flood. Ronnie Greene said the same thing about his book Shots On The Bridge - which is about the Danziger Bridge Shooting. He wants readers to sympathize with unarmed families who were shot AND the officers who did the shooting. Katrina made things so bad we can't possibly judge people by normal standards.
If I misinterpreted let me know.
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Post by GusTRenegade on Sept 11, 2015 4:33:13 GMT
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Post by caketheseries on Sept 12, 2015 5:32:27 GMT
Well Shiver me Timbers. I thought we were reading 200 pages a day. Now I can relax and take a little more time to let this information sink in. I am reading and listening to the audio for some of the book. It could be the writer or the tone of the voiceover actor that influenced my perspective. The doctors inside are discussing making important life or death situations and moments later the same doctors mention they are outside murdering each other. I'm like aren't you getting ready to decide who you are going to murder in the hospital? The attitude and tone is very different when they talk about murder inside the hospital and outside.
In chapter six where you pulled that Dr. King and Dr. Wynn conversation about race they sandwiched that with lots of stories about pets. That reminded me of when the news will talk about a black person and the next story is about a watermelon patch or monkeys. Fink chose to go on and on about pets. Then she concluded with a patient who was once a nurse during segregation. I'm still trying to figure out the significance of being a nurse during segregation. I'm not sure if she was black or white. But she was given the RX for death regardless.
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Post by GusTRenegade on Sept 12, 2015 9:46:16 GMT
Without question, you are the most adorable thing in history.
Anywho. I totally see your point about the double standard. That hypocrisy is present in most commentary on Katrina. The police justified killing and maiming black people - "it was crazy times." There are so many instances when they insist that extenuating circumstances forced their hand, but black flood victims struggling to survive are unworthy of being judged with the same leniency and compassion.
The pets were given so much more sympathy than the black people. I have made so many notes of that in this book. That's pretty consistent in Katrina coverage as well. They have several books all about pet rescues during and after the storm.
Feel free to read as much or as little as you like per week. I'm on page 645, so I didn't stick the schedule either. I've taken notes and highlighted, so I can dialog as people catch up.
I can say from things that are revealed later in the book, there's evidence to suggest that a significant number of the patients/victims were black people. That's definitely something to ponder and keep track while reading.
I'll reflect on the significance of the "nurse during segregation."
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Post by caketheseries on Sept 13, 2015 22:37:46 GMT
I found an interview with Dr. Bryant King and CNN's reporter Aaron Brown. The interview slightly reminded me of The Day Care owner in Memphis vs the reporter trying to get her to admit to blame for a criminal that her staff prevented from entering her place of business. I would love to for Dr. Bryant King to visit the C.O.W.S. however I cannot find a contact for him. However here is the interview www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/15/King/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
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Post by GusTRenegade on Sept 14, 2015 6:59:04 GMT
Most adorable thing ever, CakeTheSeries.
Very excited to see the clip with Dr. King. Their so much material attached to this event. I even watched the Boston Legal episode that is based on the memorial case; she mentions it in the book - THAT EPISODE HAS SO MUCH RACISM! THE "B STORY" FEATURES A BLACK MALE IN A DRESS SUING TO GET INTO A FEMALE GYM.
I finished the book today! What a read!! I took so many notes. I feel like I could write a review or an essay. I actually started talking to a black female who wrote a thesis on katrina literature and she featured a section on Fink's book. She mailed her thesis to me after we started talking about the book. She did a great job pointing out the significance of the hospital being named Baptist. She also thought that Fink doesn't explicitly point out White people in the same way she does black people. I felt like there was an overall lack of consistently identifying racial classifications, but I'm still thinking and checking back to make sure.
Stunning analogy between the Dr. Foti and the Duke lacrosse prosecutor - absolutely stunning!
Profound that she trotted off to Haiti to view black people in misery.
So much I could say about this book. It was enjoyable, informative reading.
If you all make comments as you read, I would be down to chat.
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Post by Auset on Sept 17, 2015 11:07:15 GMT
Evening All...finally able to chime in on the book and I must say, the more I read this book the more it shows just how ill-prepared we are to "disasters" and even more vulnerable as non-whites. I knew reading this book that it would disturb me because of the racism that is demonstrated and the very infrastructure we depend on during disasters are simply not prepared to care for those in need. It was interesting to read how the disaster preparedness drills and hospital readiness were looked at as annoying and not taken seriously by hospital staff. When it stated something to the effect that this company Jayco was to oversee hospital emergency plans but in truth had nothing to say about how realistic emergency plans had to be let hospitals off the hook with really being prepared and got away with just putting an elaborate plan on paper to get government off their backs but never with the intent on implementing it or never thinking they would have to actually implement it.
I am reminded of how chaotic the city of Detroit was a few years ago (August 2003) when we had a "black-out" (a wide-spread power outage). We had no power for about 2 - 3 days and it was total chaos from people trying to get gas for their cars, people looking to get hotel rooms since they had no power at home, and the grocery stores jammed packed with people clearing the shelves. Some had no water, transportation or communication. I believe this "black-out" effected Michigan, Ohio, and a few other states.
Thanks for allowing me to share as I am looking forward to sharing more on the board as I continue reading the book.
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Post by GusTRenegade on Sept 22, 2015 2:34:03 GMT
Hi Auset,
Glad you could join the discussion.
That's one of the things I really enjoyed about this book. That's a huge theme for the totality of this event. People were so ill prepared - and especially black people! The more I study New Orleans, it's amazing that so many people in the area were unprepared for the storm or didn't really take it seriously. Historically, New Orleans get a Katrina-like hurricane about once every 50 years. Sometimes more often than that. Like there were Katrina victims who had seen New Orleans flood on three different occasions. We should definitely take steps to be much better prepared and informed about what to expect in these type of disasters - i.e. white people not functioning our best interest. She talked about how Katrina and Super Storm Sandy got White people to change their codes about disaster preparedness. We should do the same.
The attitude that people had about prepping for the storm before Katrina sounds similar to the way many victims respond to counter-racist information.
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